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Interview with Kreeda Games' Quentin Staes-Polet

Kamla Bhatt has a two part audio interview with Quentin Staes-Polet, the Belgian CEO of Kreeda Games, the Bombay-based online multiplayer gaming start-up funded by IDG Ventures India and SoftBank. Quentin has some interesting points on why the firm chose not to disclose the amount of funding it raised, interplay between social networking and gaming, experience of an "foreigner" starting a business in India, etc. Arun Natarajan is the Founder & CEO of Venture Intelligence, the leading provider of information and networking services to the Private Equity and Venture Capital ecosystem in India. View sample issues of Venture Intelligence India newsletters and reports.

Lassi Making Machines

Businessworld has a profile of a Delhi-based company that makes Lassi making machines. ...an enterprising young man called Sultan did the next best thing. He perfected a lassi-churning device. He sold his first machines to the numerous lassi shops and restaurants in the crowded lanes around Delhi’s Jama Masjid area. The devices ran on electricity, worked for hours on end, needed little maintenance and almost never broke down. That was the 1950s. Fifteen years after starting out, Sultan passed away. His son Mohammed Usman, barely 20 then, took over. Usman decided to name the devices ‘Sultan’ in memory of his father. He moved the workshop to Daryaganj in 1992 and also set up a factory in Wazirabad, which employs 25 workers and engineers, to meet the growing demand for his father’s machines. He called the business Raja & Co. — a nickname given to him by friends and loyal customers. Usman’s sons have helped add a modern touch to the 50-year-old family business. Orders from outside D...

The Restauranter from Chennai

While I was reading a profile of M. Mahadevan of Oriental Cuisines in The Hindu , I realized that he seemed to own almost every restaurant that I'd enjoyed eating at in Chennai. (And, I had always associated his name mainly with "Hot Breads" - which I don't frequent at all!) The gentleman indeed seems to be a very fascinating entrepreneur - one that is sure to be besieged by offers from Private Equity firms. Along the way, Mahadevan, the restless man that he is, launched a whole slew of fast food and restaurant brands for every segment of consumers – Benjarong, the Thai restaurant, Wang’s Kitchen and Noodle House for Chinese, Don Pepe for Mexican, Zara, the Spanish Tavern and the byword in food courts – PlanetYumm. Not being content with India operations, Mahadevan ventured into foreign shores – he took Hot Breads to France and Italy, tied up with Saravana Bhavan to take the brand to US and opened a string of bakeries in the Gulf region. “But India is still my explo...

WHO DO I HIRE? by Sanjay Anandaram

The young founder-CEO of a young but profitable Rs 30 crore company believed it should capitalize on what it saw as immense market opportunity. He believed his company should and could grow by tem times to Rs 300 crore over the next 5 years. He wanted his company to be recognized as the number one player in its area by far on various parameters. Finance wasn’t a constraint as the company was generating sufficient cash flows with external funding being a viable option as well. The issue lay in getting management talent into a largely unknown company and in motivating them to enough to help generate and manage the incredible growth envisaged by the CEO. The company was now run by young but very bright and talented people. Would it be able to attract and manage executives that would be senior to them in age and experience? What kind of a person should the CEO hire and what should be offered to such a person? Should an external recruiter be hired to find the talent or should perso...

Startup Communication - by Sanjay Anandaram

An irate customer sends an email to a startup company “….am disgusted with the quality of your service. I was referred to your company by my friend and I’ve just had the most unhappy time ……” The customer support department does not forward the mail (& others like it) to the executive leadership. Response to the board of directors from a CEO of a VC backed startup “…we’re doing fine. I’m confident we’ll hit and perhaps even exceed this month’s targets…..” Of course, the board didn’t know that the two top customers of the startup were pulling out of contracts with the startup. The CEO knew but was scared to tell the board. Board member writes a letter to the CEO of the company “….you seem to be stressed out lately. Why don’t you get more senior executive help around you to help reduce the pressure?” The CEO replies “…Thanks for your concern. Am doing fine actually. Am wondering if you had any other objective in suggesting that I surround myself with senior executive help?” The CEO w...

Entrepreneurial Self Esteem - by Sanjay Anandaram

Social anthropologists have determined that the impact of a dominant culture on a constrained (either self-imposed or externally imposed or a combination) culture is such that over time the dominant culture so subsumes the other culture leaving it as a poor carbon copy version of itself. Indian culture too has been constrained and inhibited for several generations for reasons of history and bad policy. In the India of the 21st century, there’s rapidly growing self-esteem and great opportunity ahead- critical ingredients for original thinking and innovation. One of the most critical attributes of an entrepreneur’s personality is self-esteem. The desire to achieve, the ambition, confidence, and drive all flow from this core personality trait. People with a manic desire to prove to themselves and to the world that they “can do it” are the ones who can weather storms, deal with crises and plug away at making their aspirations come alive. All great entrepreneurs are people with high self-e...

The Onsite catering opportunity

The Outlook Business edition dated September 20th, 2007 had a coverage on the emerging Onsite catering opportunity and the experience of those already in the game. Some excerpts: Says Vohra (Gurpreet Vohra, CEO of Tulip Caterers): "I serve 20,000 meals a day and the cost of each varies between Rs. 25 and Rs. 50. It is very important to check the price and quality of the raw materials each day. This business is all about high volumes and low margins. Says Asitava Sen, Senior Vice President at Technopak Advisors, a global management consulting firm: "Onsite catering has now become an attractive business proposition. The draws are captive customers, young employees in the payroll, scope for up-gradation of traditional canteen facilities and better economies of scale." Says Sunil Nayak, Radhakrishna Hospitality Services: "It makes sense to invest in onsite business. We make an initial investment of between Rs. 60 Lakh to Rs. 1 Crore and serve a meal for Rs. 50-Rs. 75. W...

VC Interview: Bob Kondamoori of Sandalwood Partners

N. Sriram interviewed Bob Kondamoori, Founding Managing Director of Sandalwood Partners for the US-IVCA/Venture Intelligence quarterly report . Some extracts: What differentiates Sandalwood Partners from other VCs? We are focusing on early stage investments. Most of the VCs we see here are doing later stage investments where valuations are very rich and competition fierce. We are looking at investing in companies at product development stage so that we can help them tune the product to the world market. Secondly, we are also more product-centric than service-centric. We are not going after IT Services companies or BPOs. Are you looking at India and China together as one block for investments? We are really India-centric. But since we are product-centric company and one of our partners is in China, we look at China for support in manufacturing, until Indian manufacturing takes off. What are the revenue requirements for a company to seek support from you? Out first investment was based...

Why VCs DO NOT need to own 20%+ in your company

Fred Wilson has an obviously popular post arguing why it is it’s "rubbish" for VCs to put forth the usual argument that "in order to compensate a venture firm for all the time and energy they are going to put into a particular investment, they need to own at least 20% of the company and ideally 30%". I have made vastly more money on companies where our firm owned 15% than on companies where our firm owned 20% or more. To some extent the desire to own large chunks of companies is related to the size of the funds that many venture firms manage. A $120 million position in a recently IPO'd company might not be that interesting to a fund that is managing billions of dollars of investor's capital. But it sure is interesting to me. One of the things we are doing in the venture capital business by raising ever larger fund sizes and amassing larger pools of capital under management is creating problems and then making them the entrepreneur's problem. And so we t...

The bane of the buzz - by Sanjay Anandaram

A friend narrated this to me this morning. He was on a business trip to Taiwan and bumped into a colleague from a much larger division of the same company at Taipei airport. After exchanging some chit-chat, the colleague told my friend that he was likely to be now based out of Taipei as it was an important part of the division’s “China strategy”. On further enquiry it transpired that instead of long distance phone calls and faxes and emails to Taiwanese vendors and partners from Bangalore, he would now be able to visit them and make local phone calls and send local faxes and email! Ostensibly, this would result in enhanced relationships leading to furtherance of the division’s “China strategy”. One of the banes of our times has been the gross trivialization of word meanings. Words like “innovation” and “strategy” have been almost trivialized into banality - almost every trivial act of improvement or approach is either an innovation or a strategy. There’s this almost manic desire to bei...

Following up good PR - by Sanjay Anandaram

Last week I had two very different experiences while visiting two well known global companies. Experiences that made an impact on me and experiences that every startup company can learn from. I arrived at the fist company a little before my 10am appointment and walked into the reception area. There was pandemonium there with a large number of visitors huddled around the reception desk. The long desk in turn was “manned” by about 6 or 7 smartly dressed men and women and had 3-4 computers on it. I mentioned the name of the person I’d come to visit to one of these persons and I received a blank stare. I repeated the name and was asked if I had the extension number of the person. I did not. I repeated the name again as well as the designation of the person. Finally, the name and a mobile number was located. The mobile number turned out to be an old one. The staff were running around without any clue as to who my host was. The cell phone number I had for the person didn’t work either. I was...

An Exit Strategy Before I even Enter?! - by Sanjay Anandaram

It is often said that in India, as in some other Asian countries, entrepreneurs tend to be extremely control oriented, tend to be very focused on retaining generational ownership of the company, and view investors as necessary evils and not as partners in creating value. Investors usually tend to be viewed as lenders or project financiers and generally receive the same callous treatment as did banks of yore. However, as more and more private equity capital (including venture capital) flows into companies to satisfy the entrepreneurial aspirations of globalization, scale, and market value, the realization that good governance, transparency, investing in business growth and professional management lead to value creation has gained strong currency. For startups therefore it is important to appreciate the role of investors as stakeholders and partners in the creation of a successful and valuable business. And part of the appreciation should manifest itself in the realization that investo...

Why are VCs arrogant?

In a posting on the rising popularity of VC Rating site thefunded.com , Jeff Bussgang explains why. Why are VCs often arrogant? Is that what they teach us at VC breeding schools? I think some of it is just the nature of the business. As I mentioned in my post “Dr. Seuss and The Land of No”, VCs have the job of saying “no” hundreds of times for every “yes” that they fund. To be efficient, they are trained to say “no” quickly and not waste time on projects they simply don’t like or don’t believe in. Whether you believe in a project or not is such a subjective standard, that it can always be open for debate and argument. But VCs can’t afford to have debates and arguments about projects they don’t like, they must quickly, unemotionally move on to the next one. Entrepreneurs, on the other hand, are emotionally attached to their projects and wired to believe that what they are working on is the absolute best thing going on – after all, they chose to work on it at the expense of every ...

TiE-ISB Business Plan competition

Extracts from the press release: TiE-ISB Connect is back with its highly successful business plan competition. Entrepreneurs are invited to submit a maximum of 5 page abstract of their business idea to TiE-ISB Connect Committee to qualify for an elevator pitch with leading Venture Capitalists in November. Applications for the 2007 business plan competition are available at www.tie-isbconnect.com . The last date for submission of Business Plans is 31st August 2007 . The competition is designed to encourage entrepreneurs in the creation, start-up and early-growth stages of businesses. Participants have a chance to win face to face interaction with leading VCs and Business Leaders for finding capital and strike business alliances that will help them launch and grow their businesses. The TiE-ISB Connect '07 conference, organized by the TiE-Hyderabad Chapter and the Wadhwani Centre for Entrepreneurship Development at ISB , will be held at the ISB Campus on November 14-16, 2007. Arun N...

Interview with One97's Vijay Shekhar Sharma

Venture Intelligence featured an interview with Vijay Shekhar Sharma, Founder & Managing Director of One97 Communications as part of the July issue of the US-IVCA / Venture Intelligence India VC report . One97 is one of the pioneering start-ups in the Indian Mobile VAS space and recently raised its first round of funding led by SAIF Partners. Some extracts from the interview: VI: How were you funding the company until now? VSS: We were the first company to put a revenue sharing model in place with operators. That gave us recurring revenue and made the company cash positive. VI: What were your challenges in fund raising? VSS: Two challenges: first, deciding on the network the fund could provide and second, the kind of size commitment they can make for future investments. A third factor was the comfort with the VC: what kind of team it was, the chemistry between team members, the kind of person who will come onto our board. The VC on the board becomes your everyday business part...

Give your start-up the gift of time

Fred Wilson has a nice post , based on his experience with three of his investee companies, on how start-ups often take several years to fulfil their potential. Time works for you if you have the patience to stay focused on the opportunity in front of you, if you have the tenacity to work through the inevitable hurdles you’ll face, and if you have the right kind of financial backers. Time allows you to recover from misteps, to build a team, to generate revenues, and even earnings. And when you've done all that, you'll have the wearwithal to choose when and how you want to exit from the business because you'll be selling a business instead of a team or a product or a feature. So, if you are starting a company, prepare for a marathon, not a sprint. Take a deep breath. Commit yourself to the long haul. Let time work for you. Arun Natarajan is the Founder & CEO of Venture Intelligence, the leading provider of information and networking services to the Private Equity and Ven...

Alternatives to Venture Capital

Businessfund.com has a post on the "Top 25 Alternatives To Venture Capital". Venture capital is not for everybody. For starters, venture capitalists tend to be very picky about where they invest. They are looking for something to dump a lot of money into (usually no less than $1 million) that will pour even more money right back at them in a short amount of time (typically 3-7 years). You may be planning for a steady growth rate as opposed to the booming, overnight success that venture capitalists tend to gravitate toward. You may not be able to turn around as large of a profit as they are looking for in quick enough time. You may not need the amount of money that they offer or your business may simply not be big enough. Simply put, venture capital is not the right fit for your business and there are plenty of other options available when it comes to finding capital. Arun Natarajan is the Founder & CEO of Venture Intelligence, the leading provider of information and netw...

Starting a private limited company

Deepak Shenoy has put up a very useful post on the process of starting a private limited company in India - with a specific focus on creating a company that plans to have external investors. He also links to a World Bank resource - doingbusiness.org - that summarizes the procedures and costs associated with setting up a business in various parts of the world. Here are the Bangalore and Chennai pages. Arun Natarajan is the Founder & CEO of Venture Intelligence, the leading provider of information and networking services to the Private Equity and Venture Capital ecosystem in India. View sample issues of Venture Intelligence India newsletters and reports.

MBAs who has made the start

The 23rd July edition of Business World has a piece by Rashmi Bansal that showcases the various startups that MBAs of top B-schools of India are promoting. A few excerpts: ....Prakash Mundhra is enjoying giving them a high. His company, Sacred Moments, makes ‘puja kits’ for Diwali, an idea he conceived as a student at Symbiosis Centre for Management and Human Resource Development (SCMHRD) in Pune. “My marketing professor, Shivram Apte, rejected the idea totally,” says Mundhra. “We had long arguments — he didn’t think there was a market for it.” Prof. Apte was wrong. In its first Diwali season — October 2006 — Sacred Moments sold more than 10,000 puja kits and achieved a turnover of Rs 35 lakh. “I took a risk,” grins Prakash. “But it has worked out.” ....... Yet, he was in a dilemma. He went through the placement process and accepted an offer from ICICI Prudential. “In the meantime, I entered six business plan contests and won five,” he says. “I became more and more convinced about my i...

What’s the DNA of your company? - By Sanjay Anandaram

Early last year, I met a startup team that was building the next great mobile application. They had built a system that could offer mobile social networking to end consumers. The team had great technologists including a few successful entrepreneurs among them. They were convinced that their system would be the next great thing for consumers; they were supremely confident (bordering on overconfidence) about the uniqueness of their offering. This company was trying to build a company focused on the end-consumer as their customer. This meant that they had to build a brand, build a system that would be ridiculously easy for consumers to use, have a mechanism that would keep attracting people back to them, and figure out a way to make money. Of course, companies like Google and MySpace were their role models. The team had enormous expertise in building and running systems for businesses, selling and marketing to businesses and supporting business customers. They however had no experience in...

The king of Land titles about being the next Google.

Today's Economic Times profiled Sanjay Kanth, founder & CEO of ESS Solutions. ESS Solutions offers an array of services right from loan processing to loan funding, including legal work to the multi billion dollar US title industry. A few excerpts: Large players like FirstAmerican Title Insurance, Fidelity Title Insurance have also set up their own captive centres in India. Even banks like HSBC, Citi have started processing some of their uninsured work from their centres in India. But ESS claims to be the first company to offer complete services right from an order request to disbursement and recording of the financial instruments. Co founded with his brother, Sujay Kanth, who is now the C00 of ESS, Sanjay says about their first break, "Initially, we had no clue of what was going on and it was very hard to grasp. We took it as a challenge and Sujay got trained in their office for about 40 days after which we started the transition to my India office from 2004," ...

IT formulae for the Biotech industry

Thursday's (26th July) Economic Times, under Southern Compass carried a profile of Anuradha Acharya, the CEO of Ocimum Biosolutions. A few excerpts: .. With support from her husband and some funding from friends and family, she founded a bio-solutions IT company in 2000. In a year's time Ocimum was on a roll, providing some of the best software in the industry for Library Information management Systems(LIMS) and bio-informatics. Its two blockbuster products - Genchek and Biotracker - made Ocimum Bio a landmark company in this segment. "There is a gradual shift in the market from servicing scientific researchers and academicians to offering solutions to some big-ticket pharma players and we are constantly developing capacity and capability in this direction," Ms Acharya said. Click here to download the full article. Arun Natarajan is the Founder & CEO of Venture Intelligence, the leading provider of information and networking services to the Private Equity and Ve...

Eggsploiting the bottom-of-the-pyramid opportunity

The Outlook Business dated 20th July '07 features(not available online)Vinod Kapur, the Chairman of the KeggFarms group. The company has bred a poultry variety, the Kuroiler, that is at par with modern industrial hens in terms of growth and egg laying, but as hardy as the desi chicken and survives on scavenging. It is remarkable to note how it helped tap in on the bottom of the pyramid opportunity, besides providing rural households an income generation opportunity. More than the fawning and backslapping, it was the sudden turn in perceptions that surprised Kapur. His bankers, who derided him, now bend over backwards to lend. The quaint company that talked about empowering rural women is now a star bank account and some even want to feature him in their annual reports. KeggFarms ' base of the economic pyramid (BOP) business model, that helps pull households out of the spiral of poverty, by supplementing their income from village poultry, took years of tweaking. It has now come...

Navas Meeran: a tale of a second generation Entrepreneur

Southern Compass of The Economic Times(19th July '07) carried the profile of Navas Meeran who took over at the helm of Eastern Condiments and Spices from his father. A second generation entrepreneur, he saw how his father built the business to become a prominent distributor of leading brands in Central Kerala besides building the Eastern Curry Powder Brand. When after his studies, Mr. Navas Meeran joined the business in 1994, the turnover of the company was in the range of Rs. 10 crore. It did not take long for Navas Meeran to rework the business model and prepare for long-term growth. And, at heart of his business model, was the core competency they had built up - an efficient distribution system. Eastern Curry Powder did not remain in the league of the 'small player' for long. The company touched a turnover of Rs. 208 crore by 2006-07, and his dream is to touch a turnover of Rs. 2500 crores for the Eastern group, which also is into readymade garments, tread rubber and pac...

Podcast with Subroto Bagchi

Knowledge Wharton has an interesting audio interview with Subroto Bagchi, Co-founder & COO of Bangalore-based IT services firm MindTree Consulting. and author of the book The High Performance Entrepreneur . Bagchi makes several interesting points including that: * Start-up companies should "pretend to be big" by putting in place proper processes (which he compares to plumbing/infrastructure for a large building) and governance right from the beginning. * How MindTree's large founding team was a source of strength ("blessed with bandwidth" versus "too much overhead") since whenever one founder has some domestic issues to deal with there was someone else to take the slack. This helped the company become resilient. * Not focusing overly on the idea versus the need to enjoy building a long-term business. * Focusing on the "emotional infrastructure" in addition to the physical and intellectual infrastructures. The need to build all three is ...

Knowing when - and how - to grow - by Sanjay Anandaram

“I don’t think if we’ll be able to attract him to our company as he has to take a pay-cut” is what I heard the founder and CEO of a startup say last week. He was referring to a candidate’s resume that had been sent across by a friend. The profile was terrific and seemed like the startup could certainly benefit enormously from having the candidate on board. The CEO though was troubled by the apprehension that the candidate would be unaffordable. Being cost conscious and frugal was a practiced way with this CEO and his founding team. So what is the CEO to do when he now needs experienced and specialized talent to help the organization grow? In the period from the late 90s to the early 2000s, excess seemed to be the name of the game at startups. Fancy offices resembling space age fashion show venues, sky high salaries, perks like on-site cappuccino machines were quite common place as investors poured money into next generation internet businesses. Then the bottom fell out and everyone sta...

Update: IT Services & BPO Connect; July 12, Bangalore

Highly successful entrepreneurs and angel investors including N. S. Raghavan of Nadathur Holdings (and co-founder of Infosys), Dr. Prakash Mutalik of RelQ (which was acquired recently by EDS), Rajiv Mody of Sasken (a successful publicly-listed company) and K. Ganesh of TutorVista (who earlier co-founded BPO firm CustomerAsset and angel invested in KPO firm Marketics) share their Entrepreneurial Experiences and their Perspectives on the Future of the IT Services and BPO sectors Other speakers include top executives from Applabs, Aspire Systems, Canaan Partners, Ernst & Young, IDG Ventures India, KPIT Cummins, KPMG, Langham Capital, Microland, MindTree, Nipuna, PharmARC, QuEST, Scope eKnowledge and Veda Corporate Advisors . Network with successful entrepreneurs and top investors at this unique conference and get answers to key questions like: Is scale all important? How can SMEs survive and thrive in these sectors? Can KPOs ever IPO? Where are the new opportunities in IT Se...

Profile of Career Forum founder

The Starship Enterprise column in The Economic Times (not available online), featured Sujata Khanna of entrance exam training institute, Career Forum. The company, which started with just seven students in Pune, now covers over 39 cities reaching over 15,000 students. ...The most important milestone I think was in 1995 when we decided to incorporate Career Forum into a Company. This brought in a lot of professionalism and we also went for expansion. ...Strong technical network is our unique selling proposition. We have a strong ERP system running across all centres in all areas of business from distribution to logistics... Arun Natarajan is the Founder & CEO of Venture Intelligence, the leading provider of information and networking services to the Private Equity and Venture Capital ecosystem in India. View sample issues of Venture Intelligence India newsletters and reports.

Translating VC Speak - by Sanjay Anandaram

All too often hopeful entrepreneurs approach venture capitalists (VCs) and then keep approaching them with the same set of slides. After a while, disappointment sets in. ‘VCs in India are risk averse’, ‘They do not understand my business plan’, ‘None of them have operating backgrounds so they cannot appreciate the position’ are some of the common refrains. It is, therefore, worth understanding the language used by VCs during the meetings. “Interesting but…..” The word ‘interesting’ has many meanings but almost certainly never means that the VC is excited. The meaning of the word varies from ‘OK, nice’ to ‘intriguing’. It is also used as a place-holder or a punctuation mark. The ‘but’ that follows is dangerous. Means the VC is not positively inclined. “Who else have you talked to?” This is not a general innocent question. This is a way for the VC to know who else is looking at the deal and therefore, how he or she should pace the decision-making process. If a lot of VCs have been approa...

Why it's strongly advisable to have advisors - by Sanjay Anandaram

Over the past several weeks, I’ve met several entrepreneurs. Some young and others experienced. Some have boot-strapped their ventures, others have secured some financing from friends and angel investors. All of them have a dream and the desire to succeed but only very few will. Usually, those that don’t succeed realise that they’ve been chasing the wrong opportunity with the wrong business model and wrong team much much later in the game, if at all. What if they had been made aware of the pitfalls and dangers early on and been prepared to deal with them? What if they had had the benefit of experienced counsel from mentors and advisors? While having mentors and advisors is in itself no guarantee of success, having the right mentors can often times reduce the agony of late unhappy realizations of the state of the business. What was interesting to me about the entrepreneurial teams I met was the absence of any advisors/mentors who were either directly or indirectly involved. If one looks...

Network with Top IT Services & BPO Entrepreneurs, Investors @ IB Connect - July 12, Bangalore

IT Services and BPO companies have traditionally been a favorite among investors in India. However, with the rapid maturing and consolidation in these sectors, start-ups and mid-tier firms alike are facing significant challenges. In this context, leading investors and top executives from IT Services and BPO companies will come together at Venture Intelligence IT Services & BPO Connect to network, discuss and share best practices. Speakers at IB Connect include: Sashi Reddi, AppLabs Deepak Kamra and Alok Mittal, Canaan Partners Sunil Wadhwani, iGate Corporation Ravi Pandit, KPIT Cummins Pradip Kar, Microland N.Krishnakumar, MindTree Venkatesh Roddam, Nipuna Services Siraj Dhanani, PharmARC Rajiv Mody, Sasken Chandu Nair, Scope eKnowledge K. Ganesh, TutorVista.com Hiren Kulkarni, Zensar Raman Roy, Quatrro* Dr. Anand Deshpande, Persistent Systems* Rohit Kapoor, EXL Service* * To be confirmed The panels at IB Connect feature discussions between entrepreneurs, operating executives an...